sensibility. He had a good ear. A good ear for other things. A good ear for language. You know, beyond a certain point it’s very hard to say what is an artist. I think McLuhan certainly was an artist. But he hated aesthetics. He hated aesthetes. He hated the people for whom the art state was real. He felt that art had a job to do, and as long as the artists did that job—which was to update the culture, upgrade his or her contemporaries—then it was worth looking at. But anything to do with ornamentation, making a life a little more comfortable, was just pure consumerism, nostalgia, you know.